Water ballast

Sailing anarchy is a consumer forum and full of racial and class privilege, i don't touch it even with a stick.

I'm creating content not for you or other forum commenters but for people who can read this forum and learn to self build sailboats and all challenges we have ahead even if your generation knowledge is fading, we should help reversing the consumer tide and advocate for amateur building and sailboats restoration with free recycled materials

 

The smallest sailboat I've found that uses water ballast, is the Scamp, at just under 12 feet.

Her water ballast weighs in at 175lbs.
Here's an article that discusses the water ballast feature: water ballast - SmallCraftAdvisor.com https://forum.smallcraftadvisor.com/message-board2/viewtopic.php?t=46

-Will

 

Yes that boat is good example of simplicity and good stability shape and calculated mast span to beam ratio, and enough for coastal cruising.

This can be used as inspiration for crewed water ballast sailboats, and heres the main comment of your link

 

This is not the place for your political rantings. There are forums that would welcome them and have no problem with statements that do not accept reality or physical laws.

 

I don't agree with almost anything Herreshock says, but as long as he doesn't violate the rules of this forum, he can say whatever he wants and no one, except the moderator, has the authority to lecture him on this matter. Please allow the moderator of the forum to intervene, if he deems it appropriate.

 

He is violating the rules of this forum:

1b.) Respect the original poster of each thread – replies should be on topic with the original post in a thread. Replies must not derail or disrupt the thread discussion based on the original post. Otherwise, start a new thread of your own. (It is ok for threads to evolve as the discussion progresses, but a thread about keel design is no place for a post about American politics.)

1c.) Posts must be substantive to the forum and/or topic at hand. A little humor is ok, but only in the context of on-topic ideas or information. Posts should not be made that contain only a sarcastic jab or humorous remark with no new information or ideas.

 

I think it's perfectly normal for many of us to violate these rules at one time or another. But none of us are the moderators. If something bothers you, report it to the moderator, who is the only one who can decide what to do. I think this is another of the forum rules that we all must respect.
You and I are also spoiling the thread with our current dialogue. I won't say anything more on this subject.

 

The purpose of boatdesign.net is to allow everyone to enjoy discussing, sharing information, and learning about boat design and boatbuilding.

One or two off-topic posts are usually not a problem, but it becomes a problem if someone's posts continuously cause multiple members to get so exasperated that multiple threads start to fall apart and become more full of jabs than continuing a meaningful discussion.

The internet is huge, and there are plenty of other places for people to post their political, or racial, or other views.

This kind of post, for example, is not appropriate for the forum here and further such posts should not be posted on the site here:

A previous post which was reported and deleted because it was definitely not acceptable for the forum here was:

Please consider this a warning, and please don't post any further posts such as these on the site here. The purpose of boatdesign.net is to allow everyone to enjoy discussing and learning about boat design and boatbuilding; things that become repeatedly disruptive and interfere with learning about boat design and boatbuilding should be taken elsewhere instead; there are many, many other sites focused on politics, religion, racism/classism/etc. This is a site for boat design and boatbuilding.

Thank you.

 

Thanks for all your effort and an amazing forum to exchange knowledge and ideas.

 

Well actually everything is political and in this case here we encourage a political system status quo that offers boats as "reward" for a exploited workforce, mostly related Mussolini and Hitler "Kraft durch freude" or "leasure for pleasure" and Hitler is the only "politician" to have owned a sailboat "Ostwind" besides Kennedy daysailer, mostly to promote the current chauvinist colonial tourism consumer malaise of today.

So inherently we are supporting here a damaging status quo, also with oil contamination and colonial privilege and materialism besides cultural appropiation and ancient "civilization" idealisation.

Even if we try to have a "neutral" space here where we can keep "politics out", everything that is wrong with our society surfaces and if someone argues that a paper made by indian scientists is wrong we can clearly see an asian hate bias as we can see plenty of smears to chinese without no reason at all, and this has to be called maybe with gentler words

I personally don't follow any political ideology as following any rhetoric is a way to legitimise this collapsing 1950s system that needs to be deconstructed and dismantled as a whole this 1950s gambling casino, because no politician or private corporation is going to save people, "poverty ", the ocean, ecosystems, sea levels, etc

And this forum is one of the key places to bring change and free transportation, by illustrating people how to build boats and the issues related to safety and design, in opposition to random facebook "groups" with people spamming to sell something.

To be honest I want to make some relevant posts I'm still editing and going back to real world action to build and renovate Sailboats with recycled wood, so I hopefully will make some posts this week and I'll try to advertise the post on Facebook to bring more feedback

 

This is not appropriate for the site here:

It would be appropriate here to discuss the facts in the paper or the theory of the paper itself; going to a hate bias if someone disagrees with the theory of the paper itself, or argues that facts do not support the theory, is not appropriate for the site here. This type of thing should not be posted here.

 

It’s easier if you only read every third word

 

Absolute ignorance and untruths. No one who knows so little should pretend to know so much.

1- Ostwind was NOT Hitler's yacht - she was owned by the German Navy, which owned many yachts including Ostwind and her sister Nordwind.

2- It's laughable to claim that Hitler and Kennedy were the only politicians who owned a sailboat. Other politicians who owned sailboats were;

* Ted Heath, British Prime Minister and one of the top ocean racing sailors of his day with a string of "Morning Clouds" including a Sydney-Hobart winning S&S 34 and two bigger S&Ss and a Holland that were on the British team in the Admiral's Cup.

* Malcolm Turnbull, Australian prime minister and owner of a traditional Couta Boat.

* Richard Court, premier of Western Australia, was a champion sailor on 18 Foot Skiffs who popularised the concept of trapezing from wings, as seen in 49ers. So not only was he a sailor, he had a sigificant influence on the sport.

* Peter Bottomley, former Transport Minister of the UK, was a keen ocean racer owner.

* Italian PM Berlusconi had a 40m Perini and then a 48m Perini.

* Former US presidential candidate and Secretary of State John Kerry is a lifelong sailor who has sailed windsurfers, owned a Herreshoff 15, maybe still ha a 76 footer, and owns and races a classic Alden 44'.

* JFK also had the 62' S&S yawl Manitou, so he didn't just have a daysailer.

Those are just a few I can recall off the top of my head.

In a way, it's just a minor error by you - but you make so many errors that it's obvious that you have zero ability to accurately research, understand or assess the value of your own "work". You get so many things so wrong that you should stop pretending to know much at all.
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JFK's "daysailer"

 

Have you ever sailed a water ballasted boat?
Yes, two of them.

It sounds like the owner of the boat in question is compensating for reduced structural weight by adding ballast. It is possible to considerably reduce the weight of some traditional designs by using modern materials. Unfortunately, a significantly lighter boat would not sit on her lines without some form of internal ballast. I was told by a worker at a composites company that the owner had made a 250 lb carbon fiber copy of a 25 ft. Edson Schook design. So it can happen, but I only saw the mold so it might have happened. Ted gave me a nice tour of the facility but didn't show me the hull.

The same engineer who, when presented with a half full glass of water, wonders why they used such a large glass for that much water they until he realizes how much easier it was to carry, will say that limited void volume, baffles, multiple tanks etc, can compensate for many surge related problems, but all cost more and are more complicated than a full tank. Since the Optimist has been mentioned, her tank should be full. All of these solutions have been mentioned in different posts.

A passive drain and fill system where heeling, if any, will not drain the tanks enough to cause problems while tacking would work, but the next paragraph describes a problem that requires the tank to be sealable. For the vent, one of the Gore screw in polyvent high airflow or XL IP68 vents could allow the tank to drain and fill without leaking water once it reaches the vent. At least that's what the 8 in IP68 says. I would leave a towel under it.

The following is but not off topic because without having a way to solve this problem, in some jurisdictions the OP may be forbidden to launch the boat. For the environmentally challenging requirement to remove all traces of invasive species the use of water ballast presents some difficulties. It is or should not be a problem to fill and subsequently drain the tank in essentially the same location. Sterilizing the tank before launching in a different body of water requires that the ballast tank be dried and stored dry for weeks or treated with a poison. that poison is safe, easy to handle and easily removed or neutralized without contaminating the environment. I don't know whether the ramp monitor will accept this though. Chlorine bleach easily detected with a readily available, accurate and inexpensive kit from any pool supply or aquarium store. It is easily neutralized with sodium thiosulfate from the same stores. The presence of the sanitizing agent is easily demonstrated with a test kit, as is its absence after neutralization. The schnoz will pick up 0.25 ppm and recoil somewhere around 4 in the absence of an official. The test kit is more reassuring to officials. I recommend the test strips for aquariums because the gate guard might have to agree that anyone willing to pay $50 for a pet fish would need a kit that ensured that the water was safe enough for fish.