Aerodynamic table

Discussion in 'Hydrodynamics and Aerodynamics' started by montero, Feb 4, 2025.

  1. montero
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    I have idea to create table with fan to check some sail shapes.
    Surely someone has tried it before.
    Recently I spotted my brilliant "invention" of combining an outboard motor with a kick rudder in a magazine from the 50s.
     
  2. gonzo
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    Are you describing a wind tunnel?
     
  3. montero
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    Yes.Flat surface is to simulate water surface. I have two centrifugal fans which I can direct parallel to the table. Eventually I will add some straightening stators. Scale is small. Fan outlet cross section is about 9"x 4" / 23cm x 10cm. I have two of them I will put them next to each other. What next ?
     
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    Scale is a viscous beast in this realm but it's probably worth the effort to help discern some relationships.
     
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  5. gonzo
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    That is a really tiny section area. It may give useful results for RC boats.
     
  6. montero
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    Probably yes. But you can always check some angles
    and strange sail shapes. I think it's better than nothing.
     
  7. Alan Cattelliot
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    One very important thing...Since you are simulating a moving sail, the apparent wind profile in height shall be twisted, in conjunction with TWA, TWS, and boat speed.
    To recreate this effect, I strongly recommend to get inspiration from the twisted flow tunnel, in Auckland. See the lames, with variable width and twist ? This is what is required to get a correct estimation of the moments acting on your model.

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  8. montero
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    I know that the tunnel is better.
    I can only check some static forces. Compare when the force is greater. Use some smoke maybe to see the effect of one sail on the other.
     
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    Thewind tunnel is the easy and cheaper part. Measuring instruments and data gathering is where the money gets spent.
     
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  10. montero
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    I'm not familiar with computers , math , always trying to use redneck approach . There are some spring dynamometers.
    I like pure mechanical solutions . Generations of people have used technical solutions without computers .
    Life is too short to read about old technical solutions. Some are just brilliant.They sometimes had to think a lot more than we do now.
     
  11. Dave G 9N
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    Pun intended? I could see both vicious and viscous working in that sentence, and both meaning the same thing if viscosity is one of the variables affected by scale.
     
  12. Alan Cattelliot
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    Then you could take inspiration in this kind of stuff :
    https://youtube.com/shorts/lDO_hC2gUnk?si=cdg1hGp1Yd6RN2GA

    Put smoke, blinking LED, do not forget a fancy look....put everything in it... Measure nothing with it...
     
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  13. Alan Cattelliot
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    With a little more DIY spirit, you could also take exemple in G. Eiffel, that has (with his team of course) established a very famous catalogue of aérodynamique shapes, by throwing stuff from the top of his Eiffel tower and measuring flight Time...
    No mechanical Spring, no mechanics at all. A dream isn't it... Ah... Of course, you have to do some kind of mathematics, read some stuff about physics... But seems you are not this type of guy, are you ?
     
  14. montero
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    Didn't know about aerodynamique research of Gustave Eiffel .I know that Reynolds number exist. Why I'm convinced then to make that aero something ?
    Btw. Eiffel tower is very close to my boats designs.
     
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    I also like practical things. It remembers me some much of the movie "Wind", with tank testing in the river and so on...
     
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